Having to wait with a black screen before the video starts is completely acceptable to me.
Having to watch Ads is not.I pay for YouTube premium so that I can leave the app and listen to videos. I still get ads even though I’m paying. I don’t think there’s a single surefire way to avoid them.
Get Revanced or Newpipe or something like that. You get the same benefits you’re paying for, plus many that you aren’t, and it’s all for free. Not only that, but you’re not giving you’re money to Google.
Use Firefox + ublock origin.
Start the video, get out of the app/lock you phone, then swipe down and click on ‘play’ on the media controls.This works on andriod, unsure about ios.
Newpipe may be of interest to you.
USE PORNHUB, Start uploading your content there.
A previous version of uBlock Origin (1.64.1b4) seems to work perfectly on Firefox, just in case.
I have revanced on my phone and adblock on my laptop so I don’t see ads on youtube on them, but I can’t get rid of the youtube ads on my smart TV so I’m forced to deal with the ads for now… and the contrast shows just how insufferable youtube has become. They’re so fucking aggressive with the ads now. I’m starting to get a full minute of unskippable ads for a 2 minute meme video. It’s completely ridiculous. Not only that but the number of skippable ads, short ads, or videos with just one ad are quickly decreasing. Youtube is destroying itself.
Thanks uBO team I don’t even know yt is trying anything
Using uBO, but have noticed a slightly longer delay of a few seconds between hitting play and the video starting, but I can deal with that over being forced to watch 30s of ads.
Honestly it just felt like youtube’s servers were shittimg themselves again, so I baely even register it as a real interruption.
There have been periods where one of my accounts was getting an ad-length black screen with buffering throbber (I hate that name) and, the most recent time, it was accompanied by a pop-up asking me if I’d like to find out why that was happening. Yeah. I know why that’s happening, thanks.
Then that stopped happening again. Either they gave up or UBo have worked around it somehow. Never ending arms race.
This happens to me too, especially when it’s a computer that I haven’t used in a while, which makes me think that yeah it’s the arms race. It stops once my browser is open long enough for uBO to update
It’s the people that make blocking lists that we should thank. I don’t think uBO makes anything themselves
Google will never get a cent out of me, willingly.
If it gets annoying enough, and FreeTube stops working, I’ll find something better to do with my time.
I have already started finding peertube replacement channels.
Please share!
I’m happy I am finding some people on Nebula but being a payed service, it’s doomed to eventually show ads.
I now watch Climate Town and City Nerds on Nebula. I wish Dr Becky would move. I love her videos.
https://video.katehildenbrand.com/w/3PD7HDunumrCR1zJKHUVfo
Kate Hildebrand is a marine ecologist that has a bunch of videos on her peertube instance.
https://peertube.wtf/w/adtBd3vNKKJ7Y5dvWU7ivq
Parker’s microbes combine music and microscopy in OC creations.
Maybe people will start torrenting youtube rips if they somehow manage to kill ad blockers.
I have already started finding peertube replacement channels.
Any recommendations?
Techlore, futurism, jeff geerling
Thanks
Reminder Techlore is an Apple shill
Yep, lol. Same mindset here. Although I doubt YouTube will ever do a hard cut on piracy. That would lead to a major decline in viewership and wouldn’t look good to shareholders.
They’ve been doing this for close to 20 years. Ever since shortly after google bought them.
You know the people who created youtube are all part of the same OG corp/group that gave rise to the monsters who have created the hell we currently live in.
The PayPal mafia.
Thiel, musk, howry, Chen(yt), wong(reddit),Hoffman(LinkedIn)
If you are a content creator please consider upload your content on other video platforms too.
The trouble with that is that there is barely any money outside of YouTube.
That’s because of missing views though mostly, no? The ad revenue isn’t big anyways I think.
They can upload to multiple platforms at once and still keep their YouTube money + grow an audience on a different website??
Yeah, some of the Linux Youtubers do that. With a channel on Peertube as well. And Science Youtubers often advertise Nebula.
I read somewhere that nebula was paying a good bit more per view, and paid per minute watched
Pretty sure you still have to be invited to join nebula.
If it forces you to pay and have an account, how is it better than YT?
It’s basically netflix not youtube.
Then it’s not an alternative
If it pays “a good bit more per view” than YouTube when basically no one on YT pays and many users have adblockers, someone is getting ripped off here
Idk how one gets content on Nebula, but I wish more creators would join. Ik nebula isn’t Fediverse like PeerTube, but I still really like it and think it’s worth the $30/year to not get ads.
Being a majority artist owned co-op is in the fedi spirit. I know Rebecca Watson is crushing it on Mastodon, are there any other nebula/fedi crossover creators you’d recommend?
Then support them monetarilly
Bro those Mf should’ve started doing that YEARS ago like…
If they know I’m blocking their ads, why wouldn’t they just block the video altogether? That’s what they currently do.
If it’s already blocked, slowing it down to “blocked… but slower” seems rather pointless?
It’s a tarpit. If they simply displayed a blocked “no vids for u” message, you’d get outraged, go complain online, look for workarounds, and eventually find a bypass. If everything still works but poorly, you get annoyed, turn off your adblocker to troubleshoot, possibly blame the adblocker for being “buggy” and keep it off. Their help page solution implies they are hoping for just that. There is no “smoking gun” blocked message to go complain online about, even though it is indeed their servers that are degrading your connection on purpose in secret. Or maybe you give up and leave their ecosystem entirely, which is no big loss for them.
The proper solution is to develop an adblock that they cannot detect is blocking ads. This may require actually downloading the ad video in background, and then lying that the video has played.
I’d be more likely to just assume delivery quality was going downhill and look for another streaming video hoster/provider. Why would someone link slow speeds to a plugin that filters out the stuff you don’t want?
Stripping down to a skeleton of a software is standard troubleshooting procedure. Ever had a plugin crash and consume 100% cpu? I had. Only way to sense is that fans are spinning up and page is laggy, and then look in about:performance and there it is. No one would have ever suspected that the website you’re visiting is deliberately introducing bugs in secret if it thinks you’re adblocking.
Relevent Username: If you went to Tau Zero, you can finish watching every youtube video in mere moments from your point of view
Because the “Why is the video being slow?” pop-up now sends you to the page blaming adblockers instead of the ISP shaming thing it used to do.
I actually wouldn’t mind that. An ad blocking method that just plays ads in the background with the sound muted and not visible on screen.
If google only lets me stream the content I want when I stream content I don’t want, that’s fine, I just don’t want to watch it as it’s my eye balls, not theirs so it’s my choice at the end of the day
I’ve been wondering about that, also perhaps a browser where your mouse position has seperate client and software side states? I know a lot of data can be gleaned from mouse movements so if the browser only updated its internal cursor position when you actually clicked that would potentially cut out that source of information?
In the ultimate, you’d need to do something like run a headless browser in a virtual machine, have it play out and record the entire video, then use something like AI to splice out the ad segments and distracting elements (a souped-up sponsorblock will work for a while, but eventually ads will be injected into the raw video stream at random intervals), and present the pristine finished content to you. Basically we are going to re-invent TiVo all over again xD.
In worst case, you can’t start watching until the pre-roll ad timers expire. This is how adblocking works on Twitch streams currently - you can only see a purple screen even if you block the ads.
And yes, the headless browser will need to use AI for human-like mouse movement and to solve captchas - basically whatever state-of-the-art technologies spammers and scrapers are already currently using.
Google is anticipating this future and is trying to implement and force hardware-based DRM for web video before then.
AI might be overkill? I recall back in the day people working out which images where manipulated by the way the underlying flow of colour and pixel layout didn’t line up, each image ends up with a kind of grain of different size and direction. You could spot ads by detecting which image data doesn’t line up with the majority and cutting it out that way.
I know Lemmy hates AI, but this actually would be a perfect use for it. The problem is the idea of what an ad is. Yes, you could try to use secondary characteristics like image color or sound normalized volume (WhyTF do youtube ads still sound 3x louder than content? are we living in cable era again?), but they would be error-prone for any content more visually intense than a podcast. They would also not capture sponsorblock content like “I love showing you all these foreign countries but what I love even more is having my internet connection secure” that match the video flow. A crowdsourced lookup table of all known ad clip fingerprints would go a long way, until ad videos themselves start being AI-generated on the fly for that sweet personalization revenue.
No, what I really want is to distill the idea of what I want to see into an AI and have it filter out what I don’t want to see for me. I know an ad when I see one, so AI can too. Pre-roll/mid-roll ads? Gone. Sponsorblock content? Gone. Like and subscribe? Skipped as if it didn’t exist. Virtual billboards on the sidelines of sporting events? Overlayed with kittens. Idiocracy banners squeezing the video from either side? Cropped and rescaled. Watermarks? Excised and content-aware-filled.
The last frontier is when the content itself is secretly an ad, imprinting upon you some idea or point of view. You’ll have to watch out for that one on your own.
They are probably trying to find that spot where it’s just slightly more annoying to block ads than leave them unblocked.
Currently blocking ads consists of keeping uBlock Origin up to date. Not blocking ads generally means going to a different platform after a single ad roll.
I have no issues with pre-roll ads; it’s the interstitial ones that drive me away.
I have an issue with pre-roll ads. Some of them are extremely long and can’t be skipped
Remember 10 years ago the YouTube app only showed ads on every 3rd video and often only a single 5 second ad, and everything longer could be skipped.
Like a frog in a pot I could tolerate that amount, a few years later they started the ad ramp-up and what finally drove me to install vanced were 3 unskippable ads you had to endure just to watch something.
Absolutely the same for me. The only reason I block their ads is because of how frequently they interrupt the content. It’s just unacceptably greedy. Pre-roll ads is fine, I get they have bills to pay too.
i added 2-3 other adblockers. and i use UBLOCK origin to bypass facebooks login popup to look at posts. because making a fake acct for fb is extremely difficult, one of the few places on the internet that i can download new maps of old rpg game(linked to thier drive).
i added 2-3 other adblockers
Never run multiple adblockers at the same time. You gain nothing except broken websites, performance issues, and an increased chance of triggering anti-adblocks.
If they give you what you want, but harass you enough, you may just stop using an ad blocker to watch the video and might just forget to turn it back once you are done.
If you had to unlock your bathroom door to enter or exit, you will either put forth effort to correct the problem or you will take the lazy route and just prop the door open.
So you don’t find something else to do.
If you went somewhere else their competition is winning (directly as another video site and indirectly as anything else you would do with your time).
i have been blocking them fro 10+years with none other than UBO. only recently i added more adblockers, to block other stuff the ubo wouldnt.
That’s probably a bad idea, as it makes it more likely YouTube will detect the ad-blocking. Better to add your own custom rules to UBO instead.
Oh no! You are going to make your platform work like ass? And you expect us to do mental gymnastics in such a way that instead of blaming you (you know the one that has control over the platform) we blame uBlock? The same uBlock that has made using your platform bearable for many years, to the point that I will sit in silence with the screen off instead of watch with ads?
I think even if you make us wait a min before playing the video most would take that over an ad.
I would prefer an ad 🤷 if it doesn’t last a stupid amount of time
That’s what they’re banking on, but we know that eventually they will f*** it up and lose everyone.
Unless we have some serious alternatives, that won’t happen anytime soon
Video hosting is really expensive. Every service running for free will eventually enshitify and turn out similar, because there’s no such thing as free massive servers
Peertube has already delivered the sustainable model: creators host their own videos and viewers assist distribution.
Who pays for the servers? Because if even big platforms like Signal sometimes struggle to pay the bills, in part because they spend a lot on their servers, then it’ll be dozens of times worse with video hosting
Content creators. It’s hard to host everyone’s videos, and it benefits monopolists to imply that doing so is necessary, as it prevents new entrants. It’s not nearly as hard to host your own server (or pay for it to be hosted). It becomes harder when you suddenly become popular, a situation which Peertube explicitly compensates for by sharing the distribution effort between viewers, which scales with popularity.
Signal makes it’s own bed like YouTube by being a single centralised server for everyone. Nobody ever asks “who pays for the servers” when it comes to Matrix or XMPP
It’s not nearly as hard to host your own server (or pay for it to be hosted).
Do you really expect more than even 5% of all youtube channels to do it? You have high hopes.
compensates for by sharing the distribution effort between viewers
I believe it’s done in a kinda P2P way? Didn’t really check, but wouldn’t that just not work with NAT internet connections, which many people have because that’s just more secure this way? Also, bad for privacy.
Using a TURN server would also add huge costs so it’s basically like hosting your own server
Nobody ever asks “who pays for the servers” when it comes to Matrix or XMPP
I don’t so I wouldn’t, but if I was, I would be wondering, as I always do. Anyways, I believe XMPP doesn’t store stuff and only transmits, and Matrix doesn’t store things forever (and doesn’t store videos like YT), and the main instance is funded by donations, and smaller instances are just pretty small and have media wiped when needed
it benefits monopolists to imply that doing so is necessary
That’s the POV of people in !technology@lemmy.world or selfhosted. Most people can’t be bothered with this shit and are pretty tech illiterate. Some don’t want to waste even a minute. And that’s the case of the very vast majority of people on the internet.
All they need that I see is missing, is a way to discover / search everyone from any instance. Like, a consolidated / federated search.
Not precisely what you’re after but https://sepiasearch.org/
Not exactly, but pretty damned close!
It is now a shortcut on my desktop!
It is… they’ve out spent the competition. Now that no one else is around, they’re trying to make all the money they can. Luckily, it won’t be long before some other alternative will pop up anyway.
People have been saying this for years now.
Don’t care, still better than the ads.
I’ll sit for 2 minutes in front of a black screen and it’ll still be better than 45 seconds of ads.
Did exactly that early days of hulu.
Same. That ole “You seem to be using a proxy service” text served as a nice break 🙌
And i stop using youtube when my adblock doesnt work. fuck em
YouTube might just go fuck itself!
If it takes too long to load I just use yt-dlp to download the video or whole playlist and watch it later. Do I care that it’s putting additional strain on YouTube’s servers? Indeed, I’m devastated and overtaken with guilt 😂 These are tears of regret, I swear 😂
And as an added bonus yt-dlp defaults to maximum quality! Even more strain on YouTube servers!
yt-dlp is fucking awesome and it will be a sad day if it ever gets taken down or blocked.
