Ulrich

Well that’s what I meant by “out” but yes.

Lead-acid battery OEMs are also allowed to market Ah on batteries with a 50% DoD…

Lots of people don’t realize lithium is actually cheaper because of this

I don’t want them to go bankrupt, I just want Elon out.

I think it’s important to call out inattentive drivers while also calling out the systems and false advertising that may lead them to become less attentive.

If these systems were marketed as “driver assistance systems” instead of “full self driving”, certainly more people would pay attention. The fact that they’ve been allowed to get away with this blatant false advertising is astonishing.

They’re also obviously not adequately monitoring for driver attentiveness.

Then what are?

“Ownership” can mean a lot of different things

Why wouldn’t the ability to maintain/repair, modify or resell be requirements for ownership?

Why would they be?

If “ownership” doesn’t have a unified meaning, then I can interpret “ownership” as the ability to maintain/repair, modify or resell the bought item.

You can “interpret” whatever meaning you want, that doesn’t make it accurate.

“Ownership” can mean a lot of different things

I’m not sure how that’s possible considering no one manufactures self-driving cars that I know of. Certainly not Tesla.

“Ownership” can mean a lot of different things

I haven’t “attacked” anyone. Just stated that they’re wilfully ignorant, which is true. However if when you were looking around for all of those comments you were paying attention, you would’ve seen people throwing out extremely unnecessary and vulgar personal attacks at me.

You keep asking me for evidence, and I keep telling you I don’t have any. I’m not writing a fucking college dissertation, it’s an internet comment. Since this conversation is going nowhere, and since you continue to sealion me with this nonsense after I’ve asked you to stop several times, you’re going to be blocked as well. Have a nice evening.

It’s actually 5 people vs. you right now, and anyone can count to confirm it

It isn’t.

you have produced zero evidence

You really gotta quit with the sealioning. I’ve already explained this several times. I’m not doing it again.

so let this conversation be an experience that challenges your perception of what others think about FOSS.

I’ll do that but the cards are still stacked against you.

All those personal insults REALLY motivated me to take your advice but I think I’ll just block you instead and report you for harrassment.

When you look at any app store, you’ll find that the many apps that are infested with ads, spyware, malware, and dark patterns are pretty much always proprietary

Right, because FOSS software never has any of that…

which makes FOSS much higher-quality than proprietary software in general.

That’s not how that works. There’s plenty of paid software that doesn’t have any of those things.

Both FOSS and proprietary software can be sold and commercialized with various monetization strategies.

You’re just arguing pointless semantics now.

Nobody here believes that Reddit is better on the basis that it is proprietary adware instead of FOSS.

You’re cherry-picking.

That difference makes FOSS inherently better for users than proprietary software.

No. It absolutely does not. Why do I care if you can “use, modify and redistribute” trash software?

Those are not purchases. You are not “buying” them. They are donations. “Buying” requires payment.

Every commenter here disagrees with you

Oh, well if all 2 of you disagree with me, that must mean that I’m wrong and not that you want to lie about it so that more people will use FOSS.

How is that false equivalency? Comparing fdroid to the play store is about as close as you can get.

The false equivalency is not that the two aren’t comparable products, the false equivalency is that they have those problems at similar rates, because they don’t.

You’re not backing your points up with any actual reasoning or examples

My reasoning is experience. FOSS has this reputation among most people. Only people who are willfully ignorant can’t see it. I could give you examples all day but it’d just be cherry-picking and I’m sure you would remain unswayed. Feel free to ignore me, I’m just saying what it is.

I am genuinely curious why you think people pay money for worse software though…

I don’t avoid proprietary solutions that do a better job

That was my entire point. The person I was originally replying to seemed to suggest exactly that.

You can also go on the play store and find a huge list of proprietary apps that haven’t been updated.

Once again, false equivalency.

Also saying that FOSS software is “notoriously low quality” is silly.

It’s not silly, it’s plain to see for anyone that has tried to use it. But it is hilarious to see you try to deny it.

Do you think people just enjoy throwing away money to give themselves a worse experience?

Proprietary software is also notoriously low-quality and can disappear at any time

This is just a false equivalency. Do both of those things happen in both cases? Sure. Does it happen WAY more often with FOSS? Also yes. Just go through F-Droid or Flathub and look at the long list of apps that haven’t been updated in years.

Paid software is typically not something someone does in their free time to fill a resume for a real job. It’s something they are able to dedicate real time to because it pays their bills and they have obligations to their paying users. They can also hire other people who also gets their bills paid and have similar obligations.

Neither one is inherently better.

“Ownership” can mean a lot of different things and the things you listed are most certainly not a requirement.

if you want updated versions you need to keep paying periodically.

But you can continue using the older version, yes?

FOSS is notoriously low quality and can disappear at any given time when the developer(s) lose motivation. Don’t get me wrong, I love them too, but I’ll also gladly pay for something more polished and sustainable.