On June 11th, 2024, we discovered a set of vulnerabilities in Kia vehicles that allowed remote control over key functions using only a license plate. These attacks could be executed remotely on any hardware-equipped vehicle in about 30 seconds, regardless of whether it had an active Kia Connect subscription.
My car reminds me if the doors are unlocked or left open. I can adjust the charging speed at any time. I can turn on the HVAC and seat heaters before I leave. I can see my current state of charge. I can see exactly what is happening when my alarm goes off. I can see exactly where it is if it’s stolen. Etc.
You can argue that those are not important to you, personally but I don’t think you can argue that they aren’t good reasons.
I think there are certainly other wireless technologies that are superior in many ways and can supplement or replace the need for internet access in your immediate area.
I think the point is that there isn’t a good enough reason to put internet in a car that negates the risk of it.
It is like adding lead to food. It’s a cheap sweetener with no calories. You can argue that cheap sweeteners aren’t important to you, but I don’t think you can argue that it isn’t a good reason. It just isn’t a good enough reason to negate the risk.
not good enough means the downsides highly, severely outweigh the upsides. It’s not that “I wouldn’t use it and then you shouldn’t have it either”, it’s that there are very good reasons to not have these in my car, or anyone’s really, in a way where they cannot be removed!
the first bunch provides info and abilities that are only relevant when you are in the car. this is like wanting to know your house’s temperature when you are in the store, or on vacation. what the fuck you do with that information?
the remaining about the alarm and it being stolen, what are you going to do with this? go after them with your 4th car and a shotgun? let’s hope they did not disconnect the batteries…
if you absolutely cannot live without these, you should by an extension that does this, instead of forcing this shit on everyone
I don’t know what “the first bunch” is so I can’t answer that but these are all definitely use while away from the car.
the remaining about the alarm and it being stolen, what are you going to do with this?
Is that a real question? You’re going to figure out why your alarm is going off, and if it’s stolen you’re going to give it to the police so they can recover it…
if you absolutely cannot live without these, you should by an extension that does this
I dunno what an “extension” is but pretty sure it doesn’t exist or can’t do these things.
I don’t know what “the first bunch” is so I can’t answer that but these are all definitely use while away from the car.
sorry, I wanted to mean these:
My car reminds me if the doors are unlocked or left open. I can adjust the charging speed at any time. I can turn on the HVAC and seat heaters before I leave. I can see my current state of charge. I can see exactly what is happening when my alarm goes off
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Is that a real question? You’re going to figure out why your alarm is going off, and if it’s stolen you’re going to give it to the police so they can recover it…
yes, why do you need a moving, online accessible high quality surveillance camera system is a real question.
I don’t think you need this to report it to the police, the loud alarm and policeman on the road searching for the stolen car has worked well for decades. or at least I haven’t heard of car theft in… a pretty long time, so long that I don’t even remember.
I dunno what an “extension” is but pretty sure it doesn’t exist or can’t do these things.
oh it would exist if laws would force car makers to not place unremovable tracking systems in the car by default.
but I that being said, think these tings do exist, in the form of little devices thay you can connect to your car’s OBD port, and they have a GPS receiver and a SIM slot to do it’s job.
the loud alarm and policeman on the road searching for the stolen car has worked well for decades
LOL no. It hasn’t.
haven’t heard of car theft in… a pretty long time
Right, my mistake. If you haven’t heard of it happening, it must not have happened.
think these tings do exist, in the form of little devices thay you can connect to your car’s OBD port, and they have a GPS receiver and a SIM slot to do it’s job.
I mean, there are plenty of very good reasons.
My car reminds me if the doors are unlocked or left open. I can adjust the charging speed at any time. I can turn on the HVAC and seat heaters before I leave. I can see my current state of charge. I can see exactly what is happening when my alarm goes off. I can see exactly where it is if it’s stolen. Etc.
You can argue that those are not important to you, personally but I don’t think you can argue that they aren’t good reasons.
I think there are certainly other wireless technologies that are superior in many ways and can supplement or replace the need for internet access in your immediate area.
I think the point is that there isn’t a good enough reason to put internet in a car that negates the risk of it.
It is like adding lead to food. It’s a cheap sweetener with no calories. You can argue that cheap sweeteners aren’t important to you, but I don’t think you can argue that it isn’t a good reason. It just isn’t a good enough reason to negate the risk.
OK but that’s not what they said.
if its not a good enough reason, that’s literally not a good reason
“Not good enough” = not important to you
“no good reason” = the benefits dont exist.
These are not the same.
you have misunderstood something.
not good enough means the downsides highly, severely outweigh the upsides. It’s not that “I wouldn’t use it and then you shouldn’t have it either”, it’s that there are very good reasons to not have these in my car, or anyone’s really, in a way where they cannot be removed!
There’s also very good reason TO have them, as I’ve already explained.
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Yes? They do?
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LOL literally all of them, unless you’re standing near the car.
…and they do. That SIM card is useless without internet…
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once again, no, they don’t
LOL okay, maybe you’d like to share with the class how any of this works without internet while you’re not near the car?
Or would you just like to insist over and over that it doesn’t while refusing to explain?
Obviously with your key that can already open the doors remotely
frankly they aren’t good reasons.
the first bunch provides info and abilities that are only relevant when you are in the car. this is like wanting to know your house’s temperature when you are in the store, or on vacation. what the fuck you do with that information?
the remaining about the alarm and it being stolen, what are you going to do with this? go after them with your 4th car and a shotgun? let’s hope they did not disconnect the batteries…
if you absolutely cannot live without these, you should by an extension that does this, instead of forcing this shit on everyone
I don’t know what “the first bunch” is so I can’t answer that but these are all definitely use while away from the car.
Is that a real question? You’re going to figure out why your alarm is going off, and if it’s stolen you’re going to give it to the police so they can recover it…
I dunno what an “extension” is but pretty sure it doesn’t exist or can’t do these things.
sorry, I wanted to mean these:
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yes, why do you need a moving, online accessible high quality surveillance camera system is a real question.
I don’t think you need this to report it to the police, the loud alarm and policeman on the road searching for the stolen car has worked well for decades. or at least I haven’t heard of car theft in… a pretty long time, so long that I don’t even remember.
oh it would exist if laws would force car makers to not place unremovable tracking systems in the car by default.
but I that being said, think these tings do exist, in the form of little devices thay you can connect to your car’s OBD port, and they have a GPS receiver and a SIM slot to do it’s job.
LOL no. It hasn’t.
Right, my mistake. If you haven’t heard of it happening, it must not have happened.
…yes, that’s what we’re discussing…
obviously not. what we are discussing is optional and voluntary, because it is removable
No. It isn’t. What we are discussing is whether or not it is useful and if there is a “good reason” to have them at all.
These sound like “value-add module purchased at or after time of sale” reasons.
In short, they’re features and not requirements.
Which has absolutely nothing to do with whether there are good reasons to have them at all.